Not all of them. Not Corinth, for instance, But do you think people in ancient Greece put their hands on their hips, wagged their fingers and said, "it's not fair to generalize - stereotypes are bad?" The idea that inter-Hellenic geographic terms might be tinged with xenophobia isn't exactly new. The Trojan War and the Persian Invasions …
Not all of them. Not Corinth, for instance, But do you think people in ancient Greece put their hands on their hips, wagged their fingers and said, "it's not fair to generalize - stereotypes are bad?" The idea that inter-Hellenic geographic terms might be tinged with xenophobia isn't exactly new. The Trojan War and the Persian Invasions - these were the exceptions. The Greeks were usually trying to subjugate each other first and foremost to the point that they couldn't so much as ward off the Macedonians, or the Romans
As a Canadian, I'd love it if my country was considered a peer to the US simply by landmass.
As has been mentioned by others, Greek Civilization was hardly constrained to what we would today call the "The Greek Peninsula." Besides the Peloponnese, where the Doric Greeks were, there was Attica, Boeotia, Euboea, Aetolia-Acarnania, Epirus, Ionia, and the more marginal Thessaly, Macedonia, and Thrace, just in "Greece." (Oddly, the latter three were often excluded the way that historically, Europeans often excluded Russia, Poland, and sometimes even Germany from "Europe"). Then, you have to keep in mind Crete and the Islands of the Aegean - but also Cyprus, which is today in dispute. Back then large portions of what is today Turkey (Asia Minor) were then Greek - Lesbos, Chios, Cnidus, Miletus. Portions of the Propontus and the Bosphorus were Greek. And of course, there were large portions of Southern Italy and Sicily that were Greek - the Magna Graecia. Geographic contiguity wasn't as important to how these civilizations formed as it became when the Europeans were drawing borders hundreds of years later.
I haven't studied the Greek modes besides that weird interlude in Plato's Republic, but Ted's point is, to me, as a classics major, believable and worth further consideration. Next time I bump into an old professor, I'll pick their brains about it. But in Aristophanes alone, there are enough slaves whose masters have renamed them by their place of origin or accent for me to consider this point credible, especially because I can see the evidence that Ted has read the classics more than I have.
Fine. Scholars often make over-interpreted claims, but their provocations needs to be taken seriously. Ted doesn't face peer review scrutiny - but nor does he face publish-or-die over-competition. If you're doubtful, go read his book and follow the footnotes. It sounds to me like Ted's suggesting there's something specific about the musical context of Ancient Greece these needs to be unpacked for the full weight of his claims to be appreciated.
Not all of them. Not Corinth, for instance, But do you think people in ancient Greece put their hands on their hips, wagged their fingers and said, "it's not fair to generalize - stereotypes are bad?" The idea that inter-Hellenic geographic terms might be tinged with xenophobia isn't exactly new. The Trojan War and the Persian Invasions - these were the exceptions. The Greeks were usually trying to subjugate each other first and foremost to the point that they couldn't so much as ward off the Macedonians, or the Romans
Considering that the Dorians inhabited a largish portion of the Greek peninsula, I somehow doubt the Greeks heard "Dorian" and thought "slave".
As a Canadian, I'd love it if my country was considered a peer to the US simply by landmass.
As has been mentioned by others, Greek Civilization was hardly constrained to what we would today call the "The Greek Peninsula." Besides the Peloponnese, where the Doric Greeks were, there was Attica, Boeotia, Euboea, Aetolia-Acarnania, Epirus, Ionia, and the more marginal Thessaly, Macedonia, and Thrace, just in "Greece." (Oddly, the latter three were often excluded the way that historically, Europeans often excluded Russia, Poland, and sometimes even Germany from "Europe"). Then, you have to keep in mind Crete and the Islands of the Aegean - but also Cyprus, which is today in dispute. Back then large portions of what is today Turkey (Asia Minor) were then Greek - Lesbos, Chios, Cnidus, Miletus. Portions of the Propontus and the Bosphorus were Greek. And of course, there were large portions of Southern Italy and Sicily that were Greek - the Magna Graecia. Geographic contiguity wasn't as important to how these civilizations formed as it became when the Europeans were drawing borders hundreds of years later.
I haven't studied the Greek modes besides that weird interlude in Plato's Republic, but Ted's point is, to me, as a classics major, believable and worth further consideration. Next time I bump into an old professor, I'll pick their brains about it. But in Aristophanes alone, there are enough slaves whose masters have renamed them by their place of origin or accent for me to consider this point credible, especially because I can see the evidence that Ted has read the classics more than I have.
Fine. Scholars often make over-interpreted claims, but their provocations needs to be taken seriously. Ted doesn't face peer review scrutiny - but nor does he face publish-or-die over-competition. If you're doubtful, go read his book and follow the footnotes. It sounds to me like Ted's suggesting there's something specific about the musical context of Ancient Greece these needs to be unpacked for the full weight of his claims to be appreciated.
As Red Green said: People say it's wrong to generalise, but it's something I really enjoy!" :)))