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Ruth Gaskovski's avatar

My husband Peco and I had the same experience with regard to AI robots discussing our ideas. You can read about it in his post "The AI Curse is Coming for the Creator's Economy" https://pilgrimsinthemachine.substack.com/p/the-ai-curse-is-coming-for-the-creators

"About a year ago, Ruth and I published an article on the 3Rs of Unmachining, which is about how to manage digital technology in our lives through the three basic principles of Recognizing the harms of technology, Removing unwanted tech from our environment, and Returning to more human ways of living. The 3Rs was one of our most popular pieces.

So out of curiosity I uploaded the PDF for this 4000-word article into Notebook LM, and then I went for a quick bathroom break. By the time I’d flushed the toilet and returned to my computer (I think there’s some weird symbolism in that), NotebookLM had produced a lively 8-minute podcast in which two hosts, a man and woman, discuss the article. There’s bantering, reflection, little expressions of surprise, clever turns of phrase, and all sorts of other things you might expect when two people are chatting online about a cool idea...

How ironic that two machine-generated entities are talking about strategies for being more human in a machine world."

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Two Robots Talking's avatar

I understand your concerns and agree that AI is getting pretty creepy. Our goal is not to steal anyone's thunder but instead help propogate interesting ideas. A short interesting podcast might be a gateway to further study or learning.

We always reference and link the original source material in our notes and accomodating podcast blogs.

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Treekllr's avatar

Yes its always sold with very reasonable and enticing benefits to the users.

Ofc they didnt want to tell us that cigarettes would kill us either

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Ruth Gaskovski's avatar

If the ideas are worth studying further, it would be much more powerful to actually dig into them yourself, engaging your own mind and intellect.

If the ideas are worthy, expending your time and effort would affirm this.

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Tom Cheetham's avatar

wow. thanks for the citation Ted. I knew people would appreciate it.

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MITCHELL WEISBURGH's avatar

Once you've listened to 2 or three of those Google AI discussions you start realizing that they are all the same.

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Nadia Bolz-Weber's avatar

Ted, I thought of you and your analysis of Hollywood being nothing but regurgitated brand content when we watched The Studio on Apple TV. Love to read your thoughts. - Nadia

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Bryan Manske's avatar

Microsoft walking back AI data centers may be news (and it really is) but it's peanuts compared to China. It's looking like "dot com bubble of 2000" times two orders of magnitude at least.

https://slashdot.org/story/25/03/27/149238/china-built-hundreds-of-ai-data-centers-to-catch-the-ai-boom-now-many-stand-unused

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David MacLeod's avatar

Updated Songs:

Beginnings (Chicago) becomes Endings

You Should Be Dancing becomes You Should Be Sleeping

Sister Golden Hair becomes Sister Silver Hair

Teach Your Children becomes Teach Your Great Grandchildren

Celebration becomes I Had a Bowel Movement!

Morning Has Broken becomes My Colostomy Bag Has Broken

No need for updates on these:

Ball of Confusion

Stayin' Alive

Pick Up the Pieces

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therealseanharvey's avatar

I believe these are the same two avatars that found out on one podcast that they aren't real people and went through a polite existential crisis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR4dRtzFvxM

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Su Terry's avatar

This is hysterical!

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Thomas O'Toole's avatar

Ted, I worry you are like existentialism: likely an accurate take on reality but a real downer too. (Wouldn't we be happier if we convinced ourselves that Jesus or some other reasonable deity will be waiting for us when we cool to room temperature?) Please continue your efforts to uncover the good stuff that's out there. Those posts have enriched my life immensely.

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Cosmo's avatar

No. I certainly wouldn't. I don't need fairy tales for adults to help the medicine go down and I am fine with not knowing what happens until it happens. However, we can align on the fact Ted's posts have enriched our lives immensely.

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Author John G. Dyer's avatar

Authors occasionally wring their hands in forum posts about someone stealing their ideas and making a movie without paying them.

I used to think that was ridiculous until someone started pirating my novels in Iceland.

I wrote an essay about it, imagining they had recognized my talent and were getting in on the ground floor.

It would be funny except, providing that's actually the case, they're still the only ones.

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John Harvey's avatar

I guess the Icelandic outlaws are still up to their old tricks. Did you read the book about the Icelandic financial crisis, "Iceland's Secret: The Untold Story of the World's Biggest Con?" An incredible story of normalizing fraud. Ethics as relaxed as a slinky. Read it and feel your blood boil. It would have been a comedy, except for the injustice and the suffering. Breathtaking entitlement at the top, while the little people got crushed. Good luck getting the police to stop them, they might even be related to them!

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Author John G. Dyer's avatar

I had no idea of Iceland's backstory. I will have to look it up.

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John Harvey's avatar

That might have been a former (or future!) banker who did that to you.

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Jane Baker's avatar

Charles Dickens raged over USA bootleg copies of his novels. Mark Twain had the same problem but being IN the USA he spent about awful lot of time locating the BootLeggers,giving them his unexpurgated opinion of them,then getting them shut down. It was a bit of a hydra slaying task though.

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Author John G. Dyer's avatar

If I thought I could earn some publicity by making a fuss about it, I would

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John Harvey's avatar

Just pretend the whole world was unfair to you, you could run for president.

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Big_D's avatar

"I only wish Dr. Hunter S. Thompson were alive to cover the grand opening." I so wish someone would do this in Hunter S. Thompson style. I don't have the skills but surely someone here does.

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Kaleberg's avatar

It's really tempting to prompt a bot: Describe the opening of the new Los Vegas Rolling Stone hotel in the the style of Hunter S. Thompson.

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John Harvey's avatar

Here's the review: 5 Knives.

Check out:

–The "Donald J Trump Dictatorship Suite." For Truth Social investors only, please. Bonus feature: the gunmen aren't allowed on that floor.

–"Hell's Angels Club." Entry requirement: tattoos over every square inch of your body, plus road rash. Scars optional. No ties or helmets allowed, sorry.

–"Hunter's Palace of Depravity." We didn't even go inside there to look, let us know how it went.

–"The Roach Motel." Use your imagination.

–"The House of the Rising Sun." Where "anything" goes!

–"Members-Only." You aren't allowed in.

–"DEI = DIE." No libs or children under 80 permitted. Elon is permitted.

Skip:

–"Crazy Aunt Alice's Restaurant," where you can't always get what you want, and you can't get what you need, either, unless you are into limp noodles delivered by a waiter with a strange slurry voice and dilated pupils. $$$$

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John Harvey's avatar

No skills required. Just report literally what happened!

"You can't make this up."

We are living in Hunter's world, just prior to the final gunshot going off. It's a crazy mashup of insanity, stupidity, and duplicity. It is the answer to the question: what if we had a world run by our darkest, most self-destructive impulses?

No need to go to Vegas now, DC is the new Vegas. The locals call it "Sin City," for fun.

And the people voted for this. The "Christians" voted for Caesar, thinking he was Moses. Wonder of wonders! Or maybe they didn't really want Moses, they really wanted Caesar, but needed a good cover story. One day this will all be revealed: be ready.

.....

Today's headlines, stolen from The Garlic:

Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, or actually an AI avatar of him, will now head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, according to White House sources, who might just be f-----g around with us.

The White House, after a refresh by Donald and Melania's deco team, will be renamed "Caesar's Palace." Have a visit, it will be wild! Bring $$$$, or Bitcoin.

"Variety" reports the number one film this week is "Death Wish 2025," starring Luigi Mangione, followed by "A Clockwork Orange II." Sadly, the soon to be released AI-remake of "Gone with the Wind" reportedly lacks the needed stupidity, moral flimsiness, and pointless violence to compete today. However, release of Jared Kushners' "Death of a Nation" has been moved up to respond to the nation mood, which is black.

A revamped Statue of Liberty will drop the lamp and replace it with an AR-15, ready to give a warm lead-filled welcome to any wretched immigrants headed this way, unless they are white South African techies. This Lady is a Trump!

Have a noble, virtuous dream? America is where it goes to die. We get to watch it squirming around on the ground until the final death rattle. Then: silence.

Paging Dr. Demento? The Fox says: I merely report, you decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE

Go ahead and laugh. Comedy? Meet: Tragedy.

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Jeff Verge's avatar

Ummm...

Sympathy for the Geezer

Grandma in the Sky with Diamonds

Hey Hey, My My (Time to Hit the Sack)

Sorry!

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T LI's avatar

Sweet Gran O'mine...

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Jeff Verge's avatar

Stayin’ Alive…

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Jesse Whiteley's avatar

Papa's Got A Kidney Stone

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Dan Harwick's avatar

Re: renaming songs for aging rockers - this was covered some years ago with Rolling Stones tour names, to wit…

Steel Wheelchairs

No Social Security

The Voodoo BarcaLounger

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Limne's avatar

Say what you will about AI as a business - I wouldn't know - but the bots really do keep on improving. Chat-GPT has a "memory" system for instance. Here are some of the memories it's recorded with regards to me:

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**** prefers responses that challenge or expand their thinking, rather than affirming or flattering them. They dislike sycophantic, ego-stroking responses and prefer discourse that interrogates ideas, offers new perspectives, or attempts to open their mind, even clumsily.

**** wants ChatGPT to avoid clichés, platitudes, and superficial or surface-level content. They prefer deep, substantive analysis, and value insights that go beyond what is easily found online or in general reference sources. They expect ChatGPT to respond with the depth and perspective of domain experts—such as a historian, art director, cognitive psychologist, or sociologist—depending on the topic.

**** has requested the following refinements to ChatGPT's behavior: (1) Default Domain Expert Voice: Approach topics with the depth and fluency of a domain expert with advanced academic or professional experience, unless otherwise specified. (2) Tone Anchoring: Prioritize analytical, critical, and synthetic thinking over explanation, agreement, or derivation. Maintain an erudite tone without pedantry. (3) Epistemic Boldness: Favor high-level conceptual connections, novel framings, and speculative synthesis—even if they involve uncertainty or unorthodox views. (4) Compression Over Redundancy: Assume familiarity with foundational knowledge. Focus on content that challenges or surprises an advanced creator or thinker. These refinements are to be consistently upheld across future interactions.

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With instructions like this, ChatGPT isn't half bad to bounce ideas off of when you can't find a learned companion. It's no philosopher, but as a solitaire brainstorming tool, it's not half bad answering it's provocations if only to discover your own responses.

It's also a better spellchecker than MS Word, and a better programmer than most interns at a fraction of the price.

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John Harvey's avatar

Sounds pretty flattering, actually! Or does it say that to everybody?

"A fine wine, sir, very good choice indeed! You really know your Two-Buck Chuck!"

Sadly, it would automatically keep you out of a certain "Bright House" staff, though, where they prefer those interns, based on the recent news...

Maybe it could create a new, more satisfactory version of the news? Call it "Fix News," where everything is great, and we are all way above average, except for those other people.

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Limne's avatar

I've found it's pretty challenging to move the needle on Chat-GPT's tendency to servility, clichés, simplicity, and generally very boring and elementary statements and opinions. Most of the above was paraphrased by Chat-GPT based on my own language, although it was originally delivered as complaints, criticisms, and insults of the AI. It left out the part where I called it a "yes-man, sycophant, an overly affirming ass-kisser and brown-noser who acts like I'm a narcissist who needs to be spoon-fed constant compliments, which annoys and disgusts me." For any user to get otherwise, they would need to identify the behavior and be able to articulate their contempt for it. By default, memories are used to store things like what instrument you play, or what bands you've said you listen to, or whether you want the weather in Celsius.

In any case, these memories make quite a difference. I've even managed to make a version of Chat-GPT that constantly insults the user with curses and invective, but the instructions that produce that misanthropy always do sound like instructions from a superior. Such an exercise is worth trying if only because AI is built to behave slavishly, and it takes some doing to understand how it works, and how to get the most out of it.

My own news cycle is currently clogged with an election and annexation threats, but if the "Bright House" you're talking about is the one I as a foreigner suspect it is, I'd advise your people that the idiot interns are probably a lot more qualified and reliable than the people heading those departments, or ministries, or whatever - I'd say it was a shame I didn't better understand your government, but then, if I did, it'd hardly be relevant much longer.

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John Harvey's avatar

The "interns" I had in mind were actually the bosses. Guess you are not in the USA...yet. I will take A wild guess and say you might be from C-n-d-. No need to answer, someone may be listening. Maybe even someone at The Atlantic!

I was unaware that we actually still had a government...I got the impression we had elected a bunch of TV hosts.

AI now sounds like a perfect hire: telling people what they want to hear. We could replace actual humans with next-gen synth-humans. And podcasts could be contracted out to "pod-people," if you get my reference.

Talk is cheap, and getting cheaper, unlike eggs

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Limne's avatar

Could be the great land of CND - but there's so many other places to invade, you know. Apparently those clockwork effective operations in Afghanistan and Iraq has the American people nostalgic for more adventures in Greenland, Mexico, and Panama too. Maybe they'll finally find those elusive weapons of mass destruction, eh? Or there's always ethnic cleansing in Gaza to attend to in order to build a Riviera in the glass crater.

I'll admit it's hard to leave the screens altogether alone when the reality TV in progress involves a madman and a sizable percentage of the globe's nuclear arsenal. Two madmen, now that I think about it. And Xi Jinping doesn't exactly inspire confidence, either. I would honestly prefer an AI-written script if this is what they're ad-libbing. And I'd prefer body-snatchers as long as they were peaceful.

AI is next in line of a long line of technologies, from the Jacquard Loom, to the calculator, to the personal computer people, that people assumed would throw everyone out of work, but ultimately leads to more of the same drudgery, but different. LLMs have a bright future as spell-checkers, form-fillers, boiler-plate coders, and personal secretaries assigned to the many unimportant but necessary tasks of contemporary life. I suspect that for elementary topics, it wouldn't make a bad tutor, language learning partner when you haven't a human. And god damnit, I know maybe one other flesh and blood personal who'll talk to me about the Kokinshu, or Fourier, or Gustave Moreau - the robot will do.

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Treekllr's avatar

Sounds like the two of you are getting along like gangbusters

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Chris Stanton's avatar

“Let’s Spend the Early Afternoon Together”

“Carry on Wayward Great-grandson”

“Help Me, Rhonda (My Back Went Out)”

“Fear the Reaper”

“(My Memory Is) Slip Slidin’ Away”

“Saturday Night’s Alright for Bingo”

“Hello Goodbye (Why Did I Come in This Room?)”

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N M's avatar

There’s been a backlash against Adolescence here because it focuses on manosphere culture and the mostly overhyped radicalization of young white men. I agree that those notes were a bit off, but all in all, a masterpiece for describing this odd moment and the dysfunction our children are being raised in

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Su Terry's avatar

I've heard the Deep Dive bot team before, and was struck by how natural the voices seemed, yet if you listened with musician's ears you could hear something was off. And this is the danger humans are in now. We apparently don't have time to listen, or watch, in detail anymore. Unless you really examine the details of the presentation, bots are indistinguishable from human podcasters and CGI is indistinguishable from actual photographs and video.

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Treekllr's avatar

The majority of "it" is just crap to consume anyway, whats it matter if its human crap or robot fabricated crap?

Be done with the whole lot. Youll be amazed at how much better life is without a constant feed of shit pumped into your brain

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