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Phil Dynan's avatar

I think you might have set up a false premise for this blog: "The leaders of that movement pushed back against slavery, exploitation, and the excesses of the Industrial Revolution. Against all odds, they were victorious. Even huge businesses and nation states eventually backed down." In fact, they didn't, they just went underground. There is as much "modern" slavery today as ever. The Industrial Revolution has resulted in the biggest threat to this planet and its inhabitants in the history of mankind - with no help in sight. I also doubt there will be any successful "pushback" to Ai technology. We might learn to use it wisely, but it is here to stay, and protesting it is not enough to stop it. As they Daleks say "Resistance is Futile". IMHO

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Feral Finster's avatar

Tom Wolfe teaches us that the great failing and, at the same time, the saving grace of American students is that they have no time for theory. They don't like it and don't get it. The only thing that they care about is "but does it work?"

The same could be said for Americans as a whole. That is *why* they are successful.

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e.c.'s avatar

Well, if you look into the history (in England and here) of abolitionism/ending of the slave trade, etc., it was spurred by the the-new evangelical Christianity, which was *very* different from most of today's evangelicalism. It was also something that led to a widespread understanding of animal cruelty, anti-cruelty legislation, and the founding of the RSPCA. Anna Sewell wrote the novel Black Beauty - for an adult audience - and in doing so, inveighed against a piece of harness called the "bearing rein" + other ugly practices. (Interestingly, although her mobility was impaired, she learned to drive carriage horses - unusual for a woman of her time. She knew what she was talking about.)

The British evangelical movement was a parallel development with Romanticism, but its ethics and aims were quite different. I kind of hate to say it, but to me, anyway, Romanticism is being given far more credit than it's due. Fast-forward to the British suffragettes: no Romanticism there, or in the women's suffrage movement here. (Per the US, the leaders were, sadly, very racist. Susan B. Anthony wasn't the person she's made out to be in public school history texts.)

As for abolitionists here, the Grimke sisters, who were in the forefront of the abolitionist movement as it gained momentum prior to the Civil War, were stone-cold realists. The same is true of Black abolitionists, like Frederick Douglass, Sojourner Truth and all the rest that could be named. (Also, Truth's 1st language was Dutch, and she spoke the Queen's English, not the fake dialect used in her "autobiography" and the press.)

Romanticism became ethno-nationalism before long, and that was not always a good thing. The 1848 revolts set the stage for Nazism, among other things.

My main point, though, is that things - all the sociopolitical factors per these social change movements - were much more complex than what's described above. Demanding protections for workers, an end to child labor, etc., is - again - coming from very different places and different motives than Lord Byron, Wordswoth, painter J.M.W. Turner, et. al. were. Of course, the Romantic movement was inescapable at the time, but even the Bronte sisters wrote about alcoholism, domestic violence and other extremely gritty issues. Keeping a "mad" wife locked in an attic is d.v. to the Nth power! (Jane Eyre.)

I also wouldn't class Charles Dickens as a Romantic, even though there are elements of Romanticism in some of his novels and stories. But Oliver Twist is the antithesis of Romanticism. It's his attempt at true social realism, and, like some of his other novels, is very hard-hitting. The same is true of Dostoevsky, which might seem like a stretch, but Romanticism affected Russian "high" culture, too.

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Mitch Ritter's avatar

Good thinking thing AI has a quick definition of Dalek and they've gotten their own Wiki page so they must have migrated from imaginary dropping to reality and optimization testing along with marketing segmentation.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek

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A Dalek is a fictional, robot-like, aggressive, and mobile creature known for its rasping voice and fanatical obsession with exterminating all non-Dalek life forms. They are prominently featured in the BBC science fiction television series Doctor Who.

Key Characteristics of Daleks:

Appearance:

They are characterized by their distinctive "pepperpot" shape, a mechanical eyestalk, a gun-mount with a gunstick or "death ray," and a telescopic manipulator arm.

Movement:

Traditionally, they glide over flat surfaces, but some later iterations have gained the ability to levitate.

Voice:

They have a monotone, mechanically distorted, and often repeating voice.

Personality:

They are known for their lack of emotions other than hate and their unwavering determination to exterminate.

Origin:

Daleks are descendants of the Kaleds, a race that underwent a mutation during a neutron war.

Quote:

"Their most famous line is "Exterminate!", which they often repeat when they are in a state of anger.

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Externally, Daleks resemble human-sized pepper pots with a single mechanical eyestalk mounted on a rotating dome, a gun-mount cont..."

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They ( the Daleks ) tend to be excitable and will repeat the same word or phrase over and over again in heightened emotional state..."

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"Dalek, n. & adj. meanings, etymology and more | Oxford English Dictionary

In the BBC television science-fiction series Doctor Who: a member of a race of aggressive alien mutants in mobile armoured casings..."

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Something tells me Dr Who's PhD dissertation was a doozie!

Tio Dick-Doc Mitchito

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Treekllr's avatar

Is this a reddit bot? Have they migrated? Dalekbot? Be bop boop

Good bot

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